Oscar Bloom and Dan Crawford dissect Fulham’s forgettable afternoon at St. James’ Park on our latest episode of The Green Pole – with a Newcastle victory made more likely by Raul Jimenez’s recklessness. The lads also look ahead to Tuesday night’s League Cup quarter final against Everton.
The Green Pole: The Mexican send off
by Oscar | Dec 17, 2023 | Uncategorized | 5 comments
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Totally disagree with both podcasters on the red card.
Lascelles intentional tomahawk to Raul’s skull, in this day of immense concern of concussion protocol, warrants a yellow.
Raul’s subsequent aerial charge to Longstaf appears serious with a high boot bring proferred initially but Raul rotates before contact thus it is not careless. And bum kisses Longstaf’s face, ie. cheek-to-cheek so to speak, which is hardly excessive force, even as Longstaf is falling way from the impending contact. Leaving ‘reckless’ as the only criteria against the Laws of the Game. Being Raul’s first offence and also, that the referee had just earlier approved an intentional malicious elbow to the head into a tackle as ‘fair play’, then the only conclusions can be a free kick and a referee to admonish Raul.
And finally, not supporting your club’s manager and player ought to be a red to both of you.
I’m sorry you disagree with our view of the red card Jamie but when we founded this website more than twenty years ago now, we promised to be honest and fair-minded in our discussion of the issues relating to the club we love.
We’ve been independent in covering Fulham since then – including asking pertinent questions regarding the future of Craven Cottage as well as discussing the shortcomings of managers, players and the club’s hierarchy (witness our participation in the action against ticket prices last month).
If you listen to this episode again, you’ll hear both Oscar and I put Raul’s challenge in context by referencing the elbow he received but, having been a referee in the past, I would have sent him off for that challenge. I hope you’ll listen again as we certainly won’t be ceasing our coverage because a supporter holds a different view.
Watched both incidents a few times. Raul’s challenge imo was a Red. You can’t jump at an opponent like that, it’s dangerous and quite frankly stupid. He deserved to go.
As always the context is a reason but not an excuse. He lost his head because he was fouled. Lasceles knew what he was doing when he put his elbow out. In my view it was definitely a foul, probably a card. What’s more disappointing is that VAR didn’t fancy a look and the Ref played on with a head injury. Then after all that the ref made Raul stay off the pitch for 30sec after getting much needed treatment. That rule isn’t being enforced consistently at all. That’s why Raul lost the plot. So was it poor refereeing? Yes. Was the ref favouring the home side a bit? Yes Does that excuse Raul’s actions? No.
On aside, I do feel Silva is a bit too much of a ref moaner. He’s giving his players a bit of licence to lose discipline. I feel that attitude played a part with Mitro’s meltdown. We know the ref is going to favour the bigger team when we play them. We’ve all seen enough football to know there’s ref bias. But, Silva constantly getting agitated about it with his players isn’t helping. There needs to be another way of addressing it
I couldn’t agree with you more Dave. The seemingly unfair treatment we are receiving, what seems weekly, from match officials, has its origins in the infamous Mitro/ Silva incident. To be honesty in my head I always thought Marco the main culprit that day. As manager he should set an example, not inflame a situation. It was truly ridiculous and with a bit of common sense so easily avoided. Marco has to learn that you cannot continue to disrespect officials, if you do the team will continue to suffer. If it’s hurting stop doing it!
I am an enormous fan of Marco’s coaching and management skills, but they count for nothing if you’re going to continually pick the wrong people to fight with.
Remember a similar incident at the 7-0, Blackburn game, when their defender Van ????? did a head high scissor kick challenge on Mitro( I believe). Straight red card.